Bob Dale wrote:Excuse me, but I have tried to contact you directly by email (via the email link on this site) twice and have posted additional questions to you elsewhere on this forum in an attempt to obtain your guidance, all of which remain unanswered. I have been waiting for replies for close to 2 weeks now. I have also intentionally not mentioned at any time that the diagnosis provided by you was 100% incorrect and cost me hours of time on a wild goose chase. I chose not to do so in apprecaition for the efforts of yourself and all who choose to volunteer opinions on this site but maybe you should take a humility check. Another member repsonded to one of my posts with his opinion that the points/shaft issue was trivial...his words..so I proceeded with the only course of action that remained in the absence of your wisdom. It seems like the only thing that surpases that wisdom may be your arrogance. Amazing! Your last posting is completely out of line and uncalled for.
Houston 1966 305 Dream Log
I will respond to your message. I never received a response to my requests that you contact me. My intention was to tell ya that I had been in error to my earlier attempts to be of help. Sorry that I wasted your time with your engine and my incorrect info. Good luck. ...............lm
I now see that you did reply with an offer by PM to discuss the problem by phone yesterday. Unfortunately I had not checked for personal messages today before proceeding with what I considered to be a simple and reversable test. I would have contacted you if that message had been received earlier but I guess my new colleagues at the HONDA Design and Problem Solving Lab can help me now, or whatever group it was that you nominated me for.
So much for my arrogance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. .............lm
TO BOB DALE AND ALL OTHERSTo you Bob Dale I especially owe my sincere apology. And to the others who read this list the same. I was far out of line with my message to Bob. I did cause him to remove his engine in an effort to identify a points timing problem. When he showed 3 pics of the timing set up I realized I had been in error and I ask him to call me. Which I did twice. I assumed he read those requests to call me but after I acted poorly I found he hadn't seen either. If he will accept the following info on timing the DREAM points I think the timing problem will solved. Bob and others, "Rather than use a feeler to set the gap on the points then move the plate I recommend you center the slots of the plate at the area of the aluminum case and tighten the 2 screws. Loosen the points and with a continuity lite open/close the points so the light comes on at "F" no matter the gap." This is the same way we do the left side points of the CB/CL72/77 points and has worked for others with the 360 cams and single points. Again I say I was wrong previously. .............lm
Without further fueling the fire I will try to respond completely objectively...
1) The red herring was in reference to the diagnosis that, by the photo evidence and the performance symptoms, I had reassembled the top end with the cam sprocket one tooth off from top dead center. In reaction to that diagnosis I had questioned the opinion and was assured that this was the only possible outcome so I pulled the engine and dissassembled it. The cam sprocket was in fact correct. 2) Does it work? I cant answer for sure if it works or not. I have only installed the motor and started it but there seems to be a marked improvement. I hesitate to call it a success because I worry about possible side effects that could damage the engine. I have also not fully reassembled the bike to ride it yet so I dont know if it works correctly under load. This course of action (modifying the points plate) was warned against by LM but after an extended period of no contact from him, and upon discovery that the cam sprocket was set correctly, I felt like his warning might apply more under circumstances that did not exist. In other words, I can completely see how modifying the points should not be considered a correction for a one tooth off assembly. With that ruled out, the new goal was simply to get the spark to fire at the correct time, which this modification seems to achieve. Why would this be necessary? It shouldnt unless maybe the points plate, as suggested by another member, is not the correct one for this motor. I didnt buy this bike new and have no idea what previous owners might have done to it. Right or wrong, that was the premise. 3) Best option? Maybe LM will take this one. He has indicated in a PM that there is a correct way to have dealt with this but has not elaborated on what it might be.
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