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G-Man
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by G-Man » Mon Nov 09, 2015 3:53 am
LM
I have this one, too.
A 1960 C72. A very early bike in candy red/purple. The frame number has the year in between the letters and serial number.
I have the original registration documents (the number stays with the bike) for both.
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LOUD MOUSE wrote:Not a lot of those around today. ..................lm
G-Man wrote:LM
Well yes, most metals have a hard time here. Interestingly though, rubber and plastic parts last really well and don't crack and crumble like they do in hotter parts of the US.
That Dream had been in a damp shed for 40-50 years. The origial owner fell off in the '60s and lost interest. I think it's probably done less than 5000 miles.
G
LOUD MOUSE wrote:Anything over there that doesn't rust/corrode?. ..............lm
G-Man wrote:The style is different but a later switch could be made to work.
The switch for the pressed-bar model is square in profile to match the handlebar.
G
DianneB wrote:I am not familiar with the "pressed steel bar" type but I will have some parts available for the 7/8" tubular bars in a few months if that helps.
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'60 C77 '60 C72 '62 C72 Dream '63 CL72
'61 CB72 '64 CB77 '65 CB160
'66 Matchless 350 '67 CL77
'67 S90 '77 CB400F
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LOUD MOUSE
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by LOUD MOUSE » Mon Nov 09, 2015 3:55 am
Other than the engine I don't have much interest in the DREAM type HONDA. ..................lm
G-Man wrote:I have this one, too.
A 1960 C72.
I have the original registration documents (the number stays with the bike) for both.
G
LOUD MOUSE wrote:Not a lot of those around today. ..................lm
G-Man wrote:LM
Well yes, most metals have a hard time here. Interestingly though, rubber and plastic parts last really well and don't crack and crumble like they do in hotter parts of the US.
That Dream had been in a damp shed for 40-50 years. The origial owner fell off in the '60s and lost interest. I think it's probably done less than 5000 miles.
G
LOUD MOUSE wrote:Anything over there that doesn't rust/corrode?. ..............lm
G-Man wrote:The style is different but a later switch could be made to work.
The switch for the pressed-bar model is square in profile to match the handlebar.
G
DianneB wrote:I am not familiar with the "pressed steel bar" type but I will have some parts available for the 7/8" tubular bars in a few months if that helps.
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by G-Man » Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:58 am
LM
I like them because of the clever engineering. Once the tooling had been paid for they were much cheaper and quicker to make than a CB or CL. Typical of Mr Honda - the principle worked well with the Honda 50 and derivatives.
G
LOUD MOUSE wrote:Other than the engine I don't have much interest in the DREAM type HONDA. ..................lm
G-Man wrote:I have this one, too.
A 1960 C72.
I have the original registration documents (the number stays with the bike) for both.
G
LOUD MOUSE wrote:Not a lot of those around today. ..................lm
G-Man wrote:LM
Well yes, most metals have a hard time here. Interestingly though, rubber and plastic parts last really well and don't crack and crumble like they do in hotter parts of the US.
That Dream had been in a damp shed for 40-50 years. The origial owner fell off in the '60s and lost interest. I think it's probably done less than 5000 miles.
G
LOUD MOUSE wrote:Anything over there that doesn't rust/corrode?. ..............lm
G-Man wrote:The style is different but a later switch could be made to work.
The switch for the pressed-bar model is square in profile to match the handlebar.
G
DianneB wrote:I am not familiar with the "pressed steel bar" type but I will have some parts available for the 7/8" tubular bars in a few months if that helps.
'60 C77 '60 C72 '62 C72 Dream '63 CL72
'61 CB72 '64 CB77 '65 CB160
'66 Matchless 350 '67 CL77
'67 S90 '77 CB400F
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LOUD MOUSE
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by LOUD MOUSE » Mon Nov 09, 2015 3:24 pm
It had it's application as you describe but not the design I liked for Motor Cycles.
Of course HONDA did RACE that frame design in the 50's.
You do have an idea where Mr.HONDA first viewed that design?. ........lm
G-Man wrote:LM
I like them because of the clever engineering. Once the tooling had been paid for they were much cheaper and quicker to make than a CB or CL. Typical of Mr Honda - the principle worked well with the Honda 50 and derivatives.
G
LOUD MOUSE wrote:Other than the engine I don't have much interest in the DREAM type HONDA. ..................lm
G-Man wrote:I have this one, too.
A 1960 C72.
I have the original registration documents (the number stays with the bike) for both.
G
LOUD MOUSE wrote:Not a lot of those around today. ..................lm
G-Man wrote:LM
Well yes, most metals have a hard time here. Interestingly though, rubber and plastic parts last really well and don't crack and crumble like they do in hotter parts of the US.
That Dream had been in a damp shed for 40-50 years. The origial owner fell off in the '60s and lost interest. I think it's probably done less than 5000 miles.
G
LOUD MOUSE wrote:Anything over there that doesn't rust/corrode?. ..............lm
G-Man wrote:The style is different but a later switch could be made to work.
The switch for the pressed-bar model is square in profile to match the handlebar.
G
DianneB wrote:I am not familiar with the "pressed steel bar" type but I will have some parts available for the 7/8" tubular bars in a few months if that helps.
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by G-Man » Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:34 pm
Looks very much like the 50s NSUs and other German bikes of the period.
Yes, nobody liked the looks of those pressed-steel bikes and that spoilt Mr Hondas plans, I think.
I still think that the CB72/77 is one of the prettiest bikes ever made but it might not have happened if Honda had convinced people to buy his Dreams.
G
LOUD MOUSE wrote:It had it's application as you describe but not the design I liked for Motor Cycles.
Of course HONDA did RACE that frame design in the 50's.
You do have an idea where Mr.HONDA first viewed that design?. ........lm
G-Man wrote:LM
I like them because of the clever engineering. Once the tooling had been paid for they were much cheaper and quicker to make than a CB or CL. Typical of Mr Honda - the principle worked well with the Honda 50 and derivatives.
G
LOUD MOUSE wrote:Other than the engine I don't have much interest in the DREAM type HONDA. ..................lm
G-Man wrote:I have this one, too.
A 1960 C72.
I have the original registration documents (the number stays with the bike) for both.
G
LOUD MOUSE wrote:Not a lot of those around today. ..................lm
G-Man wrote:LM
Well yes, most metals have a hard time here. Interestingly though, rubber and plastic parts last really well and don't crack and crumble like they do in hotter parts of the US.
That Dream had been in a damp shed for 40-50 years. The origial owner fell off in the '60s and lost interest. I think it's probably done less than 5000 miles.
G
LOUD MOUSE wrote:Anything over there that doesn't rust/corrode?. ..............lm
G-Man wrote:The style is different but a later switch could be made to work.
The switch for the pressed-bar model is square in profile to match the handlebar.
G
DianneB wrote:I am not familiar with the "pressed steel bar" type but I will have some parts available for the 7/8" tubular bars in a few months if that helps.
'60 C77 '60 C72 '62 C72 Dream '63 CL72
'61 CB72 '64 CB77 '65 CB160
'66 Matchless 350 '67 CL77
'67 S90 '77 CB400F
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by LOUD MOUSE » Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:49 pm
You are correct as he and engineers did visit Europe and obsereve what was being built and purchased.
A book "Japanese Motorcycle Wars" tells a history of what that bike industry went through the years after WWII.
I'm sure you have read his history and what and how he built the early bikes and was for good reason always (IMO) ahead of the other manufactures.
As I concentrate only on the C/CB/CL72/77 bikes I don't have a lot of interest of the bikes which followed. (other than the 1973 CRM 125 ELSINORE) ..............lm
G-Man wrote:Looks very much like the 50s NSUs and other German bikes of the period.
Yes, nobody liked the looks of those pressed-steel bikes and that spoilt Mr Hondas plans, I think.
I still think that the CB72/77 is one of the prettiest bikes ever made but it might not have happened if Honda had convinced people to buy his Dreams.
G
LOUD MOUSE wrote:It had it's application as you describe but not the design I liked for Motor Cycles.
Of course HONDA did RACE that frame design in the 50's.
You do have an idea where Mr.HONDA first viewed that design?. ........lm
G-Man wrote:LM
I like them because of the clever engineering. Once the tooling had been paid for they were much cheaper and quicker to make than a CB or CL. Typical of Mr Honda - the principle worked well with the Honda 50 and derivatives.
G
LOUD MOUSE wrote:Other than the engine I don't have much interest in the DREAM type HONDA. ..................lm
G-Man wrote:I have this one, too.
A 1960 C72.
I have the original registration documents (the number stays with the bike) for both.
G
LOUD MOUSE wrote:Not a lot of those around today. ..................lm
G-Man wrote:LM
Well yes, most metals have a hard time here. Interestingly though, rubber and plastic parts last really well and don't crack and crumble like they do in hotter parts of the US.
That Dream had been in a damp shed for 40-50 years. The origial owner fell off in the '60s and lost interest. I think it's probably done less than 5000 miles.
G
LOUD MOUSE wrote:Anything over there that doesn't rust/corrode?. ..............lm
G-Man wrote:The style is different but a later switch could be made to work.
The switch for the pressed-bar model is square in profile to match the handlebar.
G
DianneB wrote:I am not familiar with the "pressed steel bar" type but I will have some parts available for the 7/8" tubular bars in a few months if that helps.
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by DianneB » Mon Nov 09, 2015 8:56 pm
G-Man wrote:I still think that the CB72/77 is one of the prettiest bikes ever made ....
YES! I totally agree! It would be a CB77 in my shop rather than a C77 IF I had been able to find one.
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