Got screwed nicely on a CA77 Dream out of the Bronx

Dunnett · Post by **Dunnett** » Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:07 pm

Very cool Randy - I'll probably take you up on that. The bike is in Blaine right now - will stay there for a bit. Know anyone in the area that does restos?

rzgkane · Post by **rzgkane** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:01 pm

Dunnett wrote:OK, here you have it - a link to detailed images of this "perfect" Honda Dream with "perfect paint and chrome - MINT!". The first thing I noticed was that the bike has been repainted - and it goes downhill from there...

Looking forward to your thoughts and comments.

http://www.dunnett.com/honda/honda.html

The seller certainly misrepresented the bike. No question about that. He knew it was not in perfect condition and led you to believe it was anyway. Shame on him.

However, the term "mint" when it comes to vintage anything is highly subjective and anyone looking for a truly mint condition bike HAS TO see the item for himself before he plunks down the dough. Just my opinion. You bit on his BS hook, line and sinker, and didn't even request a series of close up images of the important stuff before sending him $3800? You live and you learn. Sucks that there are sellers out there that prey on people, but man, you just gotta do more homework than you did or you almost invite being taken.

Tango911 · Post by **Tango911** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:40 pm

Hoosier Tom wrote:
Tango911 wrote:i just picked up a nice red dream......, ill be selling very soon. once the carbs are cleaned......
Steve, do you have a CB77 head on that Dream????????

HT

i dont think so Tom but not sure. on my black one or red one? email me and ill chat with ya so we dont hi jack the thread

18atango911@gmail . com

Dunnett · Post by **Dunnett** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:54 pm

rzgkane wrote:
Dunnett wrote:OK, here you have it - a link to detailed images of this "perfect" Honda Dream with "perfect paint and chrome - MINT!". The first thing I noticed was that the bike has been repainted - and it goes downhill from there...

Looking forward to your thoughts and comments.

http://www.dunnett.com/honda/honda.html
The seller certainly misrepresented the bike. No question about that. He knew it was not in perfect condition and led you to believe it was anyway. Shame on him.

However, the term "mint" when it comes to vintage anything is highly subjective and anyone looking for a truly mint condition bike HAS TO see the item for himself before he plunks down the dough. Just my opinion. You bit on his BS hook, line and sinker, and didn't even request a series of close up images of the important stuff before sending him $3800? You live and you learn. Sucks that there are sellers out there that prey on people, but man, you just gotta do more homework than you did or you almost invite being taken.

You are 100% correct. Shoulda coulda woulda. Hind sight is 20/20. This seller was very convincing, in his description and on the phone. The silver lining is that I even got a bike at all and the fact that this clown is now outed-here and anywhere else that I can post this.

I have no regrets about being someone who believes in trust and honesty. It won't happen again, not to me or to anyone who reads about Marshall Singer and his concept of perfect and flawless. My loss is everyone elses gain.

rzgkane · Post by **rzgkane** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:03 pm

Dunnett wrote:
rzgkane wrote:
Dunnett wrote:OK, here you have it - a link to detailed images of this "perfect" Honda Dream with "perfect paint and chrome - MINT!". The first thing I noticed was that the bike has been repainted - and it goes downhill from there...

Looking forward to your thoughts and comments.

http://www.dunnett.com/honda/honda.html
The seller certainly misrepresented the bike. No question about that. He knew it was not in perfect condition and led you to believe it was anyway. Shame on him.

However, the term "mint" when it comes to vintage anything is highly subjective and anyone looking for a truly mint condition bike HAS TO see the item for himself before he plunks down the dough. Just my opinion. You bit on his BS hook, line and sinker, and didn't even request a series of close up images of the important stuff before sending him $3800? You live and you learn. Sucks that there are sellers out there that prey on people, but man, you just gotta do more homework than you did or you almost invite being taken.
You are 100% correct. Shoulda coulda woulda. Hind sight is 20/20. This seller was very convincing, in his description and on the phone. The silver lining is that I even got a bike at all and the fact that this clown is now outed-here and anywhere else that I can post this.

I have no regrets about being someone who believes in trust and honesty. It won't happen again, not to me or to anyone who reads about Marshall Singer and his concept of perfect and flawless. My loss is everyone elses gain.

Ten months ago I bought a '65 Dream off ebay:

IMG_0574 by rzgkane, on Flickr

that was listed as "original and unrestored" and it turned out to have been repainted, and with a non-original engine. So I lived and I learned as well. When I contacted the seller he was flabbergasted (and I believed in his sincerity) and offered to refund whatever amount I thought was appropriate, or he would also take the bike back and give me every penny I paid him. In the end I loved the bike (I wasn't looking for an original bike, but this one was so beautiful and exactly what I wanted that I paid the premium that an original would command) so we neogotiated a refund of about 25%. There are some good guys out there.

pknopp · Post by **pknopp** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:40 pm

I love the tires....I wish I could find a set of those......

No, the bike is not as described, but it is a nice bike. Love the red/red.

rzgkane

Love the seat.