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Oil From the Exhaust Ports?

Hahnda
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Post by Hahnda » Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:58 am

If the bearings are flush I would say that is your problem. They need to be recessed a bit. If you take a look at your cam covers they have a lip on them. That lip should seat the bearings in a bit. Tapping on the end of the cam probably won't move the bearing. A couple of light taps on the cover itself with a rubber or plastic mallet might do it.

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Post by houseowax » Sat Sep 29, 2012 10:08 am

Thanks, Kevin- I'll see what I can do.

So after the bearings are properly seated that puny packing and the screwed-down side cover should be enough to stop the oil from seeping out of the hole in the rocker pin? Seems like not enough to me. Then again, I assume the guys that designed this engine had slightly more engineering experience that I do, which is exactly none.
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Post by Hahnda » Sat Sep 29, 2012 10:18 am

Yep that should be enough to keep it from spewing oil. Its not under a very high pressure.

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Post by houseowax » Sat Sep 29, 2012 10:27 am

Thanks. I should clarify that when I said I was careful to install the bearings 'flush' I should have said ...I dunno...'plumb'? Meaning that I was careful not to allow the bearings to cant and lodge in the holes and maybe warp the casting. I feel pretty confident that the holes cast into the head are round and the fit is sufficiently tight.

Anyhow, I'll have a look at my earliest convenience and let you all know.
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Post by houseowax » Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:15 pm

Here's the latest:
I got behind the valve head side cover and gave the bearing set a nice persuasive whack with a chromoly bike seat post and a deadblow mallet. It snugged down significantly. I was sure that would be the answer so I replaced the cover and fired it up and no leak! For about 6 seconds, then it started again although far less alarmingly.
I tried to repeat the process but the camshaft started pushing out the points side and I knew I'd reached the end of the line.

My guess is that I'll need to get back into the camshaft- maybe I somehow didn't get the two halves of the camshaft together tight enough(?)

Here's a question, though: When my left-hand valve head sidecover is on the fins on the cover sit about 1/8" or so proud of the fins cast into the head. That seems like an unlikely design which makes me think that my side cover ISN't sitting flush even though I feel like I pushed the bearing in enough to give it ample clearance.

See attached pic- does your side cover sit proud of the head like this?

Thanks as always to those who have taken the time to help.
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See how the side cover sits proud of the fins on the head?
See how the side cover sits proud of the fins on the head?
Salatta earl.
Salatta earl.
The bearing in question.
The bearing in question.
'63 CA77 - Giving me all kinds of headaches.
'64 CA77 - Patiently waiting it's turn
'65 CB77 - A 'great winter project'

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Post by LOUD MOUSE » Tue Oct 02, 2012 2:28 am

Remove the top cover and you will be able to see if the end cover is flush.
I suspect you are correct that you need to get the middle of the cams tighter to the cam sprocket. ...........lm
houseowax wrote:Here's the latest:
I got behind the valve head side cover and gave the bearing set a nice persuasive whack with a chromoly bike seat post and a deadblow mallet. It snugged down significantly. I was sure that would be the answer so I replaced the cover and fired it up and no leak! For about 6 seconds, then it started again although far less alarmingly.
I tried to repeat the process but the camshaft started pushing out the points side and I knew I'd reached the end of the line.

My guess is that I'll need to get back into the camshaft- maybe I somehow didn't get the two halves of the camshaft together tight enough(?)

Here's a question, though: When my left-hand valve head sidecover is on the fins on the cover sit about 1/8" or so proud of the fins cast into the head. That seems like an unlikely design which makes me think that my side cover ISN't sitting flush even though I feel like I pushed the bearing in enough to give it ample clearance.

See attached pic- does your side cover sit proud of the head like this?

Thanks as always to those who have taken the time to help.

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Post by houseowax » Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:48 pm

What a day.

Dropped engine yet again. Got the cams all snugged up tight and liked the recess in the head casting; was pretty convinced that the side covers were going to seal up tight. The left side cover STILL didn't sit right to my eye, though- the fins were stiil visibly proud of the fins on the head, especially toward the exhaust side.
Just on a whim I dug through my spares and found another side cover. It was identical, but a slightly thinner and less weighty casting. I tried it in place of the one i'd been using and it fit perfectly: it practically formed a vacuum when I pushed it in place. I opted to go with it, so I put in the packing and tightened it down.
So feeling like I'd got this issue conquered I go to seal the head up for what feels like the millionth time. Previously I'd torqued the head nuts down to LM's spec: 22 ft lbs. Last timr the outside/oil travel stud on the left side made me a bit nervous- it took forever to reach 22 lbs. THIS time i was probably a quarter turn away when
POP
the stud snapped in two and shot out through the top of the acorn nut!
Fortunately I have a donor engine and my friend managed to extract a replacement stud from it. What seemed like a disaster only took about an hour to remedy.
Alas, I ran out of time and wasn't able to get the engine back in the bike. Im hoping that once I do I don't have to drop it again anytime soon!
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Old cover- see how it doesn't flush with the head?
Old cover- see how it doesn't flush with the head?
New cover- see how it sits flush with the head?
New cover- see how it sits flush with the head?
Broken stud!
Broken stud!
And the aftermath.
And the aftermath.
'63 CA77 - Giving me all kinds of headaches.
'64 CA77 - Patiently waiting it's turn
'65 CB77 - A 'great winter project'

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