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Re: Rheostat/Charger/Volts/Amps

Post by Snakeoil » Sat Jun 25, 2011 9:55 am

conbs wrote:I have been following this thread since you guys started it. I got the zinc strip and am trying to put together by plating outfit.

I went through the whole thread and copied and pasted all relevant comments into a Word document, thinking I would distill it down into a kind of "best practice" kind of guide for myself and to help me put together my plater. But, I find I still have some questions.

First question: It seems to me like there is an optimum voltage/amps combo that should be the target in the bath. It would seem that would drive the choice of parts for the plating setup (if not somebody please set me straight). You had a comment about .85 volts and .85 amps giving you good results, but then there is the comment about the Caswell set up being 1.5 v. Does anyone know if there is a target for volts/amps that optimizes zinc plating?

The current limit (amps) is determined by your power supply. Exceed that limit and you will fry the power supply. My experience is 1.5VDC seems to be the max voltage for a decent plating job. Go up too high and the plating gets dark. You also need to watch the bubbles. Smaller parts take less current/voltage. The bubbles indicate H2 coming out of solution because there is not enough surface area to plate. So you should back off on the rheostate until you just see a slight trickle of bubbles.

Second question: I think Snake has figured out that a 1-2 Amp 12v charger or power supply coupled with a 50 watt/500ohm rheostat is a good combination. Others are having luck with smaller amperage chargers but the plating either takes longer and/or works well only on smaller parts. Is this a good assessment? I used smaller chargers to start out because it was what I could find in my collection of old chargers. I did fry one by running the current too high once by mistake.

Third question: I am guessing that my "float" and "automatic" chargers will not work because a guy wants a steady current to keep the plating even. It would seem like a "manual" or "trickle" charger would work okay or just a dedicated power supply, but that would be about it. Is that correct?

I would say yes, although I'm not really sure how one of those would react to a plating application. You don't need anything that elaborate, anyway. You just need a stead source of DC voltage/current. So a simply transformer, which is all those small chargers are, is all you need.

Fourth question: I have an old ceramic 300v 100 ohm, 1 amp rheaostat. Physically it looks like overkill, but those parameters are out of sync with what has been described. Can I use it with a different size power supply and hit the target Volts/amps? I am probably going to buy a charger or power supply, so this is important.

That's a 300 watt rheostat (volts x amps = watts). At low voltage it will take a lot more amps, but you are not going to do that. I'd have to check mine to see if you have enough resistance to get you in the operating range for plating. Resistance is the ohm rating. You want a big rheostat because it gets hot.

Thanks for your help and thanks for all the time you guys have put into this thread. I am really getting excited to get started.
I almost tried to build up some pits on a set of BSA forks last week using the zinc plating set up. But I decided to use epoxy instead. Quicker and easier to remove if I choose. The plating provides a nice result for what you have invested. My spokes came out great and that alone was a major cost savings when I spruced up my CL77.

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Post by Wilf » Sun Jun 26, 2011 8:37 am

conbs,

Using an automatic charger should work but it will always be operating in the "charge" mode as opposed to the "float" mode, that is, it will be at maximum output all the time. That's not a problem if you use an appropriate rheostat to limit the charging current.

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Post by paperslammer » Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:50 pm

This thread rocks. I will be trying this during the summer
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Post by teazer » Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:20 pm

Spokes must be heat treated to bake out the hydrogen according to my plater.

When I get parts plated they always bake all the spokes and bolts to reduce hydrogen embrittlement.

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Post by Snakeoil » Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:38 pm

Yup, that point is made in this thread somewhere. I baked all mine. High carbon steels are the parts of concern. Low carbon grade 5 bolts are not an normally considered when it comes to H2 embrittlement concerns. And if you read all the articles available on the subject, there is a strong belief that the problem really resides in the acid stripping/prepping process more than the actual plating process. I still baked mine just for piece of mind. I even replated springs and baked those as well.

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Post by zoom » Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:17 pm

The biggest piece I have done so far was the kick stand. Bigger, so upped the volt and amp and time and made sure i used a well zinced bath (zinc in solution the night before). I have no magic set up, other Than what I go by above. Trial and error. Don't want it to go to fast.

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Post by Rock160 » Sun Aug 14, 2011 1:14 am

All of the electrical equations for determining the correct power supply have my head spinning. Do I need a simple Direct Current transformer for charging the cell phone or other similar device, and what numbers does it need to have?

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