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Post by teazer » Sun Mar 27, 2011 6:32 pm

ricksd wrote:Well, 'plug chops' are free, but time consuming and not too accurate. I'm planning to get something like this:
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/lm2.php
Less expensive versions show up on Ebay regularly- any wide band O2 sensor will provide a very accurate picture of your fuel/air mixture, and can do it on the fly and in any conditions you want to test. I plan to buy a spare header and weld the bung into it for testing.
That's a very good tool and like all tools takes a while to work out hoe to best use it. On teh street it's hard to use without a TPS and rpm readout. RMP alone is not enough. Great tool on the dyno where it's easier to see what is going on but our dyno guy has a great 6 gas analysis machine that lets us see A:F plus unburned fuel, CO, CO2 and O2 levels.

That way we can analyze how good or bad the combustion is. It's quite normal to see A:F looking good but high unburned HC and that tells us what's burning is fine, but it's not all burning. That helps us to fine tune the fuel slope.

And then we get to take it out on teh track and adjust it again to make it rideable. We have found that best on the dyno is not always best at the track or on the street- especially at part throttle. It's a good place to start though and we usually need results before teh race season adn it's too cold outside to do plug chops.

Vince has a pretty good handle of what he's doing - which is to use plug color as an indicator to back up what the bike is doing in terms of performance and in the final analysis that's all that counts - how well it works on the street.

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Post by jensen » Tue Mar 29, 2011 1:36 am

Hi Vince,

It's not what I use, but I think you gonna like it :

http://www.dansmc.com/Spark_Plugs/Spark ... talog.html

good luck,

Jensen
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Post by Vince Lupo » Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:32 am

Looks good! Thanks!

But now let me ask you this -- how does looking at the plugs this way differ from Teazer's suggestion to look deep down into the plug? Are they going to produce different results and appearances?

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Post by jensen » Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:50 am

Hi,

I don't know, I (almost) never look at plugs.
This article is used on the sohc4 site, so I thought it could be handy.
It shows a big variety on possible plug colors, with clear comments.

I have the privilege to have easy and cheap access to a dyno, so I'm not a specialist on plugs.
Reading (dyno) curves is what I do, and for me that's good enough, together with mpg and engine temperature as engine health indicators.

good luck,

Jensen
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Post by Vince Lupo » Tue Mar 29, 2011 2:09 pm

Picked up the powder coating today -- certainly looks much better than two holes plugged with rubber!

Image

Special thanks to Chesapeake Coating in Baltimore -- you guys make me look good!
http://www.chescoat.com

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Post by Hotshoe » Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:52 pm

Vince Lupo wrote:Looks good! Thanks!

But now let me ask you this -- how does looking at the plugs this way differ from Teazer's suggestion to look deep down into the plug? Are they going to produce different results and appearances?
Thanks for your ongoing progess posts Vince..... great project, congratulations to you and your mechanic!
I know just enough about this to be dangerous but here's the difference as I understand it;
The photo chart Jensen provided has been around for a while and is a guide for the average backyard mechanic to pull a plug after X amount of miles and see how things are doing in the combustion chambers i.e. darker plug (rich) > clean your air filters, check your timing, rings getting a little loose, lean it down a little etc... a bit of alchemy involved but that's how I've always done it with mostly good results.
What Teaser is suggesting is a technique that experienced tuners and pros use to get a plug read that can be very accurate and immediate.
Ultimately, the results should be similar but the plugs will look different because they're completely different ways of getting the info.
If I were in your shoes with everything you've got in that engine, I'd want the most accurate and immediate tuning info I could get.
Best regards and good luck, Chuck

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Post by Vince Lupo » Thu Mar 31, 2011 1:55 am

Well it seems that Sunday is going to be our day -- the weather is supposed to be crappy for the next few days, and Sunday is supposed to be about 58 and sunny. John's going to ride along with me so that we can do the plug chops, as well as taking it for an extended ride.

The bike is more or less all back together, though I haven't yet seen it. Actually it won't look a whole lot different, except for the new right engine side cover without a kickstart lever and those related holes removed, new darker powder coating on the two engine covers and the two starter covers, and a new gas cap. And I think the repaint and clear on the gas tank looks much better!

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