one for the specialists

[LOUD MOUSE]

All those parts pretty much tells the age for sure.
Tis about time ya give the engine number. .............lm

Hi LM,

It has the 360 degree crank, and a 8 hole cylinder and a single point ignition.

Jensen

[jensen]

LM,

It's a pre 1961 engine,

Jensen

[LOUD MOUSE]

Tis about time ya give the engine number. .............lm

LM,

It's a pre 1961 engine,

Jensen

[teazer]

Jensen,

I have never seen a pre 61 motor. I have a set of 61 cases and have seen a few pictures of early bikes. I hear rumors of aluminum fenders and other strange parts, but the pictures you posted so far all look very different to production bikes from 61 on.

Any other pictures you'd care to post would be appreciated.

[jensen]

LM,

I'm sorry I don't reply to all the questions ya ask.

You don’t have to say sorry, you answer a lot of questions, but thanks anyway

Some answers are right in front of ya!

If you refer to the CB77 10 spark plug mm cylinder head, no, I don’t have a CB77 12 mm spark plug cylinder head. Here in the Netherlands the CB77 are not very common, the CB72 is, so are the parts. The CB77 10 mm spark plug head is the only CB77 head I have.

I'm of the opinion ya like to PARADE your unusual parts. (see what I've got!)

I do not parade my parts, I don’t like it. That’s the same reason that I don’t put pictures of my bikes on the forum, and the same reason I deleted the list of bikes at the end of my mails. It’s you who want to see more pictures, apparently, words are not enough. Has it something to do with the fact that you don’t believe me ?, or that you only believe your own eyes ?

As for the plug size with the heads I feel ya have one of each and don't need me to go to my shop and compare for you. (how many 10mm ya say ya have?)

See the above answer. You assumed I have a CB77 head lying around, I didn’t. I have a few dream heads with 10 mm spark plug holes, but I never saw a CB77 head with these, that’s why I asked.

Your pictures on the forum are usually only enough to get a reply followed with more statements which as I stated bring a Ya But.

I don’t like to parade the stuff I have, especially not with pictures, only when it’s necessary, same with engine numbers of bikes.

Ya did a great job with the winkers for sure.

Thanks Ed, I will continue to do, because I found / got more winker types lately, and it’s time for an update.

Engine numbers can be stamped into any engine case and has been done by some to make a new/different case look like it came with the bike. That's a reason to show what style and how the numbers ya say are CB72E-59.

Yes, I’m aware of that. I have a C71 engine case from 1959, it’s stamped with C71E 9…., Honda (at least for the dreams), used the last digit of the year as engine starting digit. The CB72 engine has CB72E 59 stamped to it, and that’s different, and not logical. A C72 engine from 1960 starts with C72E 0…., also different, so that makes no sense.

The lines on the covers are not cracks and why should I have to tell ya that as a piece of sand paper will/would have shown ya such a simple fact. THEY ARE NOT CRACKS in the material Just a line from a mold which is so very common when molds are heated and cooled over and over.

I know that this were not cracks, read the thread again. I was (and still are) interested in the reason why these "cracks" are there. Most people take it for granted, and don’t care. In my opinion one piece of info leads to another part of info, so I gathered all the clutch covers I could find. Did you know that there were at least 12 different clutch covers ? That some covers are sand casted, or partial sand casted , all for the same years? That there’s a oil guide change in the some covers (diameter)? This info I did gather because I searched for it. Curiosity is my drive, questions and observations are the tools, and never take something for granted, no matter how obvious it seems.

Ya don't like my style well I'm the one with lots of info and I gathered most by comparison of parts with in hand and pics and from your massages ya cause me to think ya have lots of parts to compare to each other and learn the easy way.
LOOK AT THEM.

I did PM a partial answer to you directly, not necessary to share with the forum, it's my opinion.

Don’t forget that not everybody has all the parts around to compare, and does that mean that one can not ask questions ?

But, I am aware of the fact that you are changing your style in a positive way, look at the way you started the discussion with Teazer as a new member, and look how you are taking him as an example of how to do things right. Did Teazer change ?, no, you did, and that’s good, and I admire that.

Did ya see the messages just before yours about the bearing teazer found and how he offered the info?
Did ya see my reply?
Try that style and good things will happen I'm sure. ................................lm

I do offer much info, and in most cases in the same way as Teazer does. I also put links in the treads, to read further, if someone likes too. Sometimes I’m wrong, and I’m man enough to admit that.

I like to go on, and please quit this discussion, the forum should be informative and fun.

Jensen

[LOUD MOUSE]

To keep it short.
To much incorrect information.
No answers given to help extinguish this thread as he wants after his long reply. ..........lm

LM,

I'm sorry I don't reply to all the questions ya ask.

You don’t have to say sorry, you answer a lot of questions, but thanks anyway

Some answers are right in front of ya!

If you refer to the CB77 10 spark plug mm cylinder head, no, I don’t have a CB77 12 mm spark plug cylinder head. Here in the Netherlands the CB77 are not very common, the CB72 is, so are the parts. The CB77 10 mm spark plug head is the only CB77 head I have.

I'm of the opinion ya like to PARADE your unusual parts. (see what I've got!)

I do not parade my parts, I don’t like it. That’s the same reason that I don’t put pictures of my bikes on the forum, and the same reason I deleted the list of bikes at the end of my mails. It’s you who want to see more pictures, apparently, words are not enough. Has it something to do with the fact that you don’t believe me ?, or that you only believe your own eyes ?

As for the plug size with the heads I feel ya have one of each and don't need me to go to my shop and compare for you. (how many 10mm ya say ya have?)

See the above answer. You assumed I have a CB77 head lying around, I didn’t. I have a few dream heads with 10 mm spark plug holes, but I never saw a CB77 head with these, that’s why I asked.

Your pictures on the forum are usually only enough to get a reply followed with more statements which as I stated bring a Ya But.

I don’t like to parade the stuff I have, especially not with pictures, only when it’s necessary, same with engine numbers of bikes.

Ya did a great job with the winkers for sure.

Thanks Ed, I will continue to do, because I found / got more winker types lately, and it’s time for an update.

Engine numbers can be stamped into any engine case and has been done by some to make a new/different case look like it came with the bike. That's a reason to show what style and how the numbers ya say are CB72E-59.

Yes, I’m aware of that. I have a C71 engine case from 1959, it’s stamped with C71E 9…., Honda (at least for the dreams), used the last digit of the year as engine starting digit. The CB72 engine has CB72E 59 stamped to it, and that’s different, and not logical. A C72 engine from 1960 starts with C72E 0…., also different, so that makes no sense.

The lines on the covers are not cracks and why should I have to tell ya that as a piece of sand paper will/would have shown ya such a simple fact. THEY ARE NOT CRACKS in the material Just a line from a mold which is so very common when molds are heated and cooled over and over.

I know that this were not cracks, read the thread again. I was (and still are) interested in the reason why these "cracks" are there. Most people take it for granted, and don’t care. In my opinion one piece of info leads to another part of info, so I gathered all the clutch covers I could find. Did you know that there were at least 12 different clutch covers ? That some covers are sand casted, or partial sand casted , all for the same years? That there’s a oil guide change in the some covers (diameter)? This info I did gather because I searched for it. Curiosity is my drive, questions and observations are the tools, and never take something for granted, no matter how obvious it seems.

Ya don't like my style well I'm the one with lots of info and I gathered most by comparison of parts with in hand and pics and from your massages ya cause me to think ya have lots of parts to compare to each other and learn the easy way.
LOOK AT THEM.

I did PM a partial answer to you directly, not necessary to share with the forum, it's my opinion.
Don’t forget that not everybody has all the parts around to compare, and does that mean that one can not ask questions ?
But, I am aware of the fact that you are changing your style in a positive way, look at the way you started the discussion with Teazer as a new member, and look how you are taking him as an example of how to do things right. Did Teazer change ?, no, you did, and that’s good, and I admire that.

Did ya see the messages just before yours about the bearing teazer found and how he offered the info?
Did ya see my reply?
Try that style and good things will happen I'm sure. ................................lm

I do offer much info, and in most cases in the same way as Teazer does. I also put links in the treads, to read further, if someone likes too. Sometimes I’m wrong, and I’m man enough to admit that.
I like to go on, and please quit this discussion, the forum should be informative and fun.
Jensen