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teazer
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Post by teazer » Sun May 16, 2010 9:57 am

You are right about Jerry. No question.

The pipe has a cheap (and heavy) car exhaust. I think they called them Hot Dogs. It's a glass pack straight through shortie muffler that is one size larger than it should be so it has no effect on power but does take the sting out of the noise.

Ignition is GSX250 Electronic which was one of the few available years ago and one of several things I tired over the years.

Crabs are CB750 SOHC which are not the best, but they were the largest I could get through the rules at the time. Even then I had to make multiple presentations to MA or ACUV as it was at the time to allow CR's and larger PW series carbs.

That bald front tire came from one of my son's bikes. He used the good new tire and left me with a rim protector while the bike was in storage.

First tires we used were Michelin PZ2 S41 race tires - same as a TZ. Then tried various Dunlop products when they made some out of the GP compound. And a Pirelli Silver Dots. I have apair of AVONS for it.

Everything was lightened. take the front wheel for example:
Hollow axle
Lightened brake cams
Lightened brake actuating arms
Lightened bearing spacer
lightened brake pivot bolts
Lightened brake shoes
Lightened axle nut
Lightened and ventilated hub
Lightened brake plate

And that was just the front wheel!

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Post by LOUD MOUSE » Sun May 16, 2010 10:21 am

Looks sort of close to the ground for the turns.
I appreciate all the work it can take to go FASTER.
At times during my racing time. Desert Bikes, Stadium Car, SCCA F440 car.
I relied on a fact which I was told back in my 20's.
Sort of like:
Ya can spend a lot of time and $$$ on the racer and some will give rewards and others may allow the racer to DNF.
That said a comment of that same time was that: Ya can build the biggest, fastest bike on the track and some feller with a lesser machine and more desire than ya will beat ya.
I watched many competitors lighten the machine they had and jet for max HP only to have it break or blow up.
I use the idea that some well planned work and common scene will give good results at the finish.
I rode/drove with the idea of getting to the finish which I did every tine on the desert bikes but did blow a couple of trans on the early off rode cars. (HONDA trans was not very strong in those days.)
Also if I needed to lighten the machine I figured I could eat less Fattening Food and loose weight at the seat area without jeopardizing dependability. :-)
Just how I competed and finished. (BTW when I finished my race time I kept just one of my many trophies.)
It is the 1973 Barstow To Vegas trophy which was a tough ride for sure. (took 3 trys to get one) ..................lm


teazer wrote:You are right about Jerry. No question.

The pipe has a cheap (and heavy) car exhaust. I think they called them Hot Dogs. It's a glass pack straight through shortie muffler that is one size larger than it should be so it has no effect on power but does take the sting out of the noise.

Ignition is GSX250 Electronic which was one of the few available years ago and one of several things I tired over the years.

Crabs are CB750 SOHC which are not the best, but they were the largest I could get through the rules at the time. Even then I had to make multiple presentations to MA or ACUV as it was at the time to allow CR's and larger PW series carbs.

That bald front tire came from one of my son's bikes. He used the good new tire and left me with a rim protector while the bike was in storage.

First tires we used were Michelin PZ2 S41 race tires - same as a TZ. Then tried various Dunlop products when they made some out of the GP compound. And a Pirelli Silver Dots. I have apair of AVONS for it.

Everything was lightened. take the front wheel for example:
Hollow axle
Lightened brake cams
Lightened brake actuating arms
Lightened bearing spacer
lightened brake pivot bolts
Lightened brake shoes
Lightened axle nut
Lightened and ventilated hub
Lightened brake plate

And that was just the front wheel!

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Post by MortimerSpooge » Sun May 16, 2010 9:20 pm

teazer wrote:Humor is culturally contextual, and one might have assumed that anyone reading that post would see it as such.
Ok, I get it now.

teazer
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Post by teazer » Sun May 16, 2010 11:53 pm

Those "mufflers" were tucked in pretty tight so never had any issues with them decking.

My experience racing was that I was often beaten by people on "lesser machines" who rode better than I did, so I had to get all the mechanical advantage I could. Weight saving was cheap and never taken to the limit. My bikes were always (ok not always, but mostly) set up to be easy to ride and that I found made a huge difference.

Most fun races were with guys on 350 Manx Nortons. They caught me around the turns and left them on the straights.

Most fun was probably passing Honda CB750's around the twisty parts of Calder and making them use the whole length of the main straight to catch me again. of course 750 Hondas go a whole lot faster now than they did back then.

My first race was on a T120 1962 Bonnie and I was entered in a "vintage" race, but also in an open class race against Z1's and Z1R's which were the big dogs back then and boy did I feel slow and out of place. Talk about a steep learning curve.
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Post by Superchicken » Mon May 17, 2010 6:51 am

Unsprung weight is a good thing to lose. The ignition picture tells me you are using a dream style crank.

LOUD MOUSE
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Post by LOUD MOUSE » Mon May 17, 2010 6:52 am

Got it.
I now see that the rear tire caused me to think that was all muffler.
Racing was a blast for sure.
Ya don't loose all of them and when ya do win it sure makes for a good day. ................lm
teazer wrote:Those "mufflers" were tucked in pretty tight sop never had any issues with them decking.

My experience racing was that I was often beaten by people on "lesser machines" who rode better than I did, so I had to get all the mechanical advantage I could. Weight saving was cheap and never taken to the limit. My bikes were always (ok not always, but mostly) set up to be easy to ride and that I found made a huge difference.

Most fun races were with guys on 350 Manx Nortons. They caught me around the turns and left them on the straights.

Most fun was probably passing Honda CB750's around the twisty parts of Calder and making them use the whole length of the main straight to catch me again. of course 750 Hondas go a whole lot faster now than they did back then.

My first race was on a T120 1962 Bonnie and I was entered in a "vintage" race, but also in an open class race against Z1's and Z1R's which were the big dogs back then and boy did I feel slow and out of place. Talk about a steep learning curve.

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Post by sotxbill » Mon May 17, 2010 4:04 pm

all this talk and bark is bringing back a tear to my eyes..

(smoke and fog and weird music as I daydream back to the past)

now i'm racing honda 50s and then throwing my paper route.

Wow, my then my s90... then 160,,, 250x6 and doing wheelies...

(OUCH!!! shot of pain through my knees and back)

Wait,, reality sinks in, back to the present,, but its damn fun to talk about..

I wanna see more pictures... More stories..
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