Document needed for registering, building year

bonjour · Post by **bonjour** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:07 am

Hi all,

Im in the process of registering my CB77 , but chances are big that they will ask for a document or paper, that show's what building year my CB77 is.

The frame no. is CB77 - 104802* , and the engine no. is CB77E - 1048055 , so we have 7 numbers, which is if im correct a 1967'er.

However, links on cmsnl show that the 7 digit number began in 1964
( http://www.cmsnl.com/honda-cb77-general ... t/Z01.html )

So im a little bit confused here, is my CB77 a 1964'er , or (from what I pressumed) a 1967'er ?

I need a document or link (like the one CMS has) , that can verify this, ( this to avoid trouble with registering )

If someone has a easy link, or has an document, can you please scan it for me and post it online (so I can copy it) , it would be of much help.

LOUD MOUSE · Post by **LOUD MOUSE** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:51 am

7 digit numbers started in 1964 not just 1965.
The 1964 CL72 bikes had them.
1965 7 digits were started with the other bikes of the era.
HONDA didn't offer any year data for your bike after 1965 and I use the parts books to identify certain changes of parts that were changed as the years past.
Like the tail light assy. or brake size.
No one I know of has any REAL DATA to prove the actual year of your bike other than parts changes.
I refer to your bike as a 1966 because of the numbers and parts it will have which changed sometime in 1967. ...................lm

bonjour wrote:Hi all,

Im in the process of registering my CB77 , but chances are big that they will ask for a document or paper, that show's what building year my CB77 is.

The frame no. is CB77 - 104802* , and the engine no. is CB77E - 1048055 , so we have 7 numbers, which is if im correct a 1967'er.

However, links on cmsnl show that the 7 digit number began in 1964
( http://www.cmsnl.com/honda-cb77-general ... t/Z01.html )

So im a little bit confused here, is my CB77 a 1964'er , or (from what I pressumed) a 1967'er ?

I need a document or link (like the one CMS has) , that can verify this, ( this to avoid trouble with registering )

If someone has a easy link, or has an document, can you please scan it for me and post it online (so I can copy it) , it would be of much help.

Snakeoil · Post by **Snakeoil** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 1:10 pm

What about the date on the wiring harness tag, LM. Is that not a good guide? I realize a '67 might have a 1966 date on the tag, but that can be figured out by features, right. I think bonjour needs some way to demonstrate to his authorities the true model year of the bike. If it looks like a '67 and has '66 date on the wiring tag, one could argue that bikes are manufactured normally in the year previous to the model year they are sold. If it says '67, he just says, "It's a 1967 model year".

Yes? No?

regards,
Rob

LOUD MOUSE · Post by **LOUD MOUSE** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 1:16 pm

HONDA didn't offer any year data for your bike after 1965 and I use the parts books to identify certain changes of parts that were changed as the years past.
No one I know of has any REAL DATA to prove the actual year of your bike other than parts changes.
Use anything ya like.
I offered what I know and do. ..........lm

Snakeoil wrote:What about the date on the wiring harness tag, LM. Is that not a good guide? I realize a '67 might have a 1966 date on the tag, but that can be figured out by features, right. I think bonjour needs some way to demonstrate to his authorities the true model year of the bike. If it looks like a '67 and has '66 date on the wiring tag, one could argue that bikes are manufactured normally in the year previous to the model year they are sold. If it says '67, he just says, "It's a 1967 model year".

Yes? No?

regards,
Rob

bonjour · Post by **bonjour** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 1:55 pm

Thanks guys, I also found this on the forum from Steve.

http://www.honda305.com/forums/viewtopi ... highlight=

Quote :

I'm in the (ongoing) process of collating frame nr/year data for '65, '66 & '67 CBs. The data I can offer is not definitive, but a guideline for machines with no year ID within its frame nr.

What I'm attempting to delineate is a list of frame nrs vs. harness year tags vs. registration dates.

So far:
1001184 - '65, ('64 harness)

1004539 - '65

1021946 - '65 harness

1028xxx - reported as '66 reg'd

1032915 - '65 harness

1035519 -

1038282 - '65 harness

1039003 - '65 harness

1043961 - '66 harness

1049722 - '66 reg'd

1053051 - '67

1055763 - '67
And many thanks to all who have provided info thus far.

End Quote.

This should say my Honda is indeed a 1966'er.

I already contacted the guy who is going to get my bike registered, I also told him that there is little info available from Honda when they started on the 1964+ bike's.
Told him that even you guy's on the forum (who truely are the specialists here to be honest) don't EXACTLY know what is a 1965 of 1966 bike, when purely looking to the frame number. (parts can be swaped over the years).

I think this is all the info I need, I don't think it's possible to collect more detailed info on this because nobody exactly know's.

The register guy told me that this was probably all the info he needed, there simply isn't more specific info available on this. Gave him the CMS link which says my bike is atleast a 1964'er , and a wikipedia link which says CB's were produced till 1967. So the anwser lies in the middle I guess.
But especially the quote (and work!!) from Steve was a great help ! Thanks in advance man !

Tomorrow is the big day. *bites nails*

Guess you guys here tomorrow or at least before Friday what year my bike is going to be ! :D

And Snake, unfortunatly my wire harness has been replaced with an reproduction harness, has a big B on it. Work good though, so im happy with it.

G-Man · Post by **G-Man** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:04 pm

Hi Bonjour

In the UK the VJMC will issue a dating letter for the purpose of re-registering a bike. This is usually what the authorities need here.

http://www.vjmc.com/dating-service.html

G

Hippykid · Post by **Hippykid** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:28 pm

I am nearing completion of my 65 CA77 I am in need of the paperwork and legalities as the PO
told me he had the original title for the bike but was unable to find it...I found an old registration
under the seat that had the owners name and title number and it was last registered in Colorado
in 91...The title was in the POs fathers name (who passed away in 98). So in order to get this bike legal the PO had to get power of attorney for his dads estate,copies of the total estate sale, the
death certificate, and I had to get a vin check from the local police dept,which I thought was gonna be a piece of cake....not. I took the frame and the motor to the local PD and they sent out someone
to check the vin numbers-The vin on the registration was CA771028XXX-the number on the frame was CA781028XXX-the vin on the motor was CA77E1028XXX-but the frame and engine were 45 numbers off with the engine having the higher number...When the clerk saw the CA78 she then
insisted that I get a certified vin check -Upon calling the officer who does the certified vin checks
I was told that a bike has to be a rolling chassis with wheels and motor intact and be "runnable"
condition-sounds like bullshiX to me-what kind of fire hoops am I going to have to jump thru to
get this bike on the road? why did they give some bikes the CA78 designation? any help would be
greatly appreciated....

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