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[LOUD MOUSE]

How bout that.
A pic of the other side and the locater hole.
Looks like a TEMPKEN/Tapered style bearing if it comes apart. ???????????
For an early 1961 engine?
Wouldn't it have the numbers like--C722902 rather than 91002-259-000?. .............lm

Hi LM,

According to my nr. 2 and nr.3 parts manual it doesn't exist, but the slip says 91002 259 000.
It only fits in very early crankcases, and it isn't a roller bearing either, it has "needles", but is a one piece bearing. The clip holds the parts together, and should be removed when installing the bearing.
I installed one of these bearings in my 1961 engine.

The other one is the one that fits the regular engine cases (the 91002 259 010).

Jensen

[jensen]

Hi LM,

That's what the slip says,
and it fits an early case, and it's Honda, and it's not tapered
and has a different diameter OD, for the rest it has the same with.
it has the pinhole, but not the oil hole.

Any thoughts ? (I don't have a clue other then what the slip tells me).

Jensen

[LOUD MOUSE]

Ya gave one pic so I think ya can offer several more.
Why not a pic of the hole and the other side. (clear ones this time)
What did ya say that metal thing did if as ya say it's a one piece bearing?
Ya seem to want to ask questions/want info but ya just show a bit but not enough with almost everything ya bring up.
And the slip is from? ...........lm

Hi LM,

That's what the slip says,
and it fits an early case, and it's Honda, and it's not tapered
and has a different diameter OD, for the rest it has the same with.
it has the pinhole, but not the oil hole.

Any thoughts ? (I don't have a clue other then what the slip tells me).

Jensen

[jensen]

Hi LM,

When I buy a part, I make a picture for the picture library, and I add a description.
Then I oil the part, pack it airtight and label it. The numbers on the label are written down in my database, together with a description and the picture.

In the process of rebuilding an engine I take parts from my inventory and use them. This part is already used, so I have to dissemble the engine to take more pictures. So this is what I have, a picture and a description. I know it fitted, and the engine is running with this bearing.

Yes, I'm looking for information, I think we all do. In return I give information, that's how it works. I understand that you don't need much more information, because you lived in the time that these bikes where around, and you worked on them.

All the info I have about this bearing I wrote down. This parts was bought in 1998, from a Honda dealer in the Netherlands, as an item in a lot of engine parts from old Honda's. The slip showed the part number. If I don't have a part number I find a part number with it (parts manual or comparing), but then I mark it as mot certain, this wasn't marked as not certain, so it was on the slip.

I still have the engine where it is build in because the other one didn't fit in (C72 1961 dream), and I can give you the engine number if you like.

This is what I know, I don't know anymore. A few days ago I read this thread and searched in my database for the part number and two came up (91002 259 XXX). So I wrote to Teazer that there are two types, because he was looking for a part. This is how I collect info.

The picture is also low resolution, because it's made in 1998, my camera then wasn't that good. The other picture is VGA standard resolution, 640/480 and much higher quality.

Sometimes I wish I made more pictures from different angles, but at that time I didn't.
But I did made the pictures, as not many have a picture library of NOS C / CB parts.

If you cannot give more info than nobody can, I guess.

I'm not a Honda mechanic, nor I did race the bikes in the past, I never worked at Honda.

Jensen

[LOUD MOUSE]

So ya aren't able to support the bearing with more/better data than that pic.
Ya say HONDA part but have no other data.
Ya say it fits.
There are many bearings available of other designs that will fit these engines but even if they came from a old HONDA shop won't make them HONDA.
To better understand whet I know and how/when I obtained it is that I did have ride these bikes back in the early 60's (1963/1965) and have since that time gathered many parts/worked on/restored/rebuilt many of these bikes and engines.
At present I probably have more actual in house info/data/parts for these bikes than any person on this forum. (yes I include Bill Silver PDF file as data/info)
It may surprise ya I work on these bikes at this time as a hobby and have 3 of these engines in the shop to rebuild for others.
My information isn't just old ideas it's current.
Ya offer the engine number if I like.
Of course I'd like to see it but rather than put it out ya always have to "dangle the carrot" so someone needs to ask!
If ya really want info then I think it's about time ya put a lot more into what ya have to show/discuss so others will be able to relate.
Sort of like that engine ya have with the damaged parts but ya only show a top cover.
Give us a better chance to educate ya if it's information ya actually want. .........lm

Hi LM,

When I buy a part, I make a picture for the picture library, and I add a description.
Then I oil the part, pack it airtight and label it. The numbers on the label are written down in my database, together with a description and the picture.

In the process of rebuilding an engine I take parts from my inventory and use them. This part is already used, so I have to dissemble the engine to take more pictures. So this is what I have, a picture and a description. I know it fitted, and the engine is running with this bearing.

Yes, I'm looking for information, I think we all do. In return I give information, that's how it works. I understand that you don't need much more information, because you lived in the time that these bikes where around, and you worked on them.

All the info I have about this bearing I wrote down. This parts was bought in 1998, from a Honda dealer in the Netherlands, as an item in a lot of engine parts from old Honda's. The slip showed the part number. If I don't have a part number I find a part number with it (parts manual or comparing), but then I mark it as mot certain, this wasn't marked as not certain, so it was on the slip.

I still have the engine where it is build in because the other one didn't fit in (C72 1961 dream), and I can give you the engine number if you like.

This is what I know, I don't know anymore. A few days ago I read this thread and searched in my database for the part number and two came up (91002 259 XXX). So I wrote to Teazer that there are two types, because he was looking for a part. This is how I collect info.

The picture is also low resolution, because it's made in 1998, my camera then wasn't that good. The other picture is VGA standard resolution, 640/480 and much higher quality.

Sometimes I wish I made more pictures from different angles, but at that time I didn't.
But I did made the pictures, as not many have a picture library of NOS C / CB parts.

If you cannot give more info than nobody can, I guess.

I'm not a Honda mechanic, nor I did race the bikes in the past, I never worked at Honda.

Jensen

[LOUD MOUSE]

Here is another one of those engine tops.
No holes at the condenser location............lm

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So ya aren't able to support the bearing with more/better data than that pic.
Ya say HONDA part but have no other data.
Ya say it fits.
There are many bearings available of other designs that will fit these engines but even if they came from a old HONDA shop won't make them HONDA.
To better understand whet I know and how/when I obtained it is that I did have ride these bikes back in the early 60's (1963/1965) and have since that time gathered many parts/worked on/restored/rebuilt many of these bikes and engines.
At present I probably have more actual in house info/data/parts for these bikes than any person on this forum. (yes I include Bill Silver PDF file as data/info)
It may surprise ya I work on these bikes at this time as a hobby and have 3 of these engines in the shop to rebuild for others.
My information isn't just old ideas it's current.
Ya offer the engine number if I like.
Of course I'd like to see it but rather than put it out ya always have to "dangle the carrot" so someone needs to ask!
If ya really want info then I think it's about time ya put a lot more into what ya have to show/discuss so others will be able to relate.
Sort of like that engine ya have with the damaged parts but ya only show a top cover.
Give us a better chance to educate ya if it's information ya actually want. .........lm

Hi LM,

When I buy a part, I make a picture for the picture library, and I add a description.
Then I oil the part, pack it airtight and label it. The numbers on the label are written down in my database, together with a description and the picture.

In the process of rebuilding an engine I take parts from my inventory and use them. This part is already used, so I have to dissemble the engine to take more pictures. So this is what I have, a picture and a description. I know it fitted, and the engine is running with this bearing.

Yes, I'm looking for information, I think we all do. In return I give information, that's how it works. I understand that you don't need much more information, because you lived in the time that these bikes where around, and you worked on them.

All the info I have about this bearing I wrote down. This parts was bought in 1998, from a Honda dealer in the Netherlands, as an item in a lot of engine parts from old Honda's. The slip showed the part number. If I don't have a part number I find a part number with it (parts manual or comparing), but then I mark it as mot certain, this wasn't marked as not certain, so it was on the slip.

I still have the engine where it is build in because the other one didn't fit in (C72 1961 dream), and I can give you the engine number if you like.

This is what I know, I don't know anymore. A few days ago I read this thread and searched in my database for the part number and two came up (91002 259 XXX). So I wrote to Teazer that there are two types, because he was looking for a part. This is how I collect info.

The picture is also low resolution, because it's made in 1998, my camera then wasn't that good. The other picture is VGA standard resolution, 640/480 and much higher quality.

Sometimes I wish I made more pictures from different angles, but at that time I didn't.
But I did made the pictures, as not many have a picture library of NOS C / CB parts.

If you cannot give more info than nobody can, I guess.

I'm not a Honda mechanic, nor I did race the bikes in the past, I never worked at Honda.

Jensen

[teazer]

The oldest Parts List i have here is dated June 63 (small 180mm x 128mm format) and it lists only the regular needle roller bearing

Outer race CB721320A
Retainer CB721323A
Rollers CB722924

All are listed as being effective at CB72E-112069/CB77E-110281 with no mention of what came before.

Parts List #2 dated Oct 66 has the same parts but with new numbers as well as the old numbers, and it also lists 91002-259-010 as "Bearing, Ball 6206Z" from CB72E-010001 to CB72E-112068
and from CB77E-010001 to CB77E-110280

There is no mention in either of a -000, but it does raise the question of why it jumped to a revised bearing.

One could speculate that the unusual caged roller bearing may have been used on a different model or perhaps it was used on early pre-production motors.

List 2 does have a complete list of production numbers from 1960 to 1964, but nothing after that and the 1960 numbers start at CB72E-010001.

Could that bearing have been from a C72 or C71 perhaps or maybe from a C/CB92/95?