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CB77: Aluminum (late) vs. Steel (early) fork lowers?

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CB77: Aluminum (late) vs. Steel (early) fork lowers?

Post by jas67 » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:32 pm

I currently have a 1967 CB77 with aluminum fork lowers, and will be taking delivery of a 1965 that has steel lowers in a few weeks.

I'll eventually sell the '67, and will be keeping the '65. If I wasn't worried about keeping things correct, are the aluminum ones better? Are they much lighter? Stiffer? Any advantage to swapping, or is it not worth it?

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Jay

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Re: CB77: Aluminum (late) vs. Steel (early) fork lowers?

Post by LOUD MOUSE » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:34 pm

I suggest you leave parts as they come. .................lm

jas67 wrote:I currently have a 1967 CB77 with aluminum fork lowers, and will be taking delivery of a 1965 that has steel lowers in a few weeks.

I'll eventually sell the '67, and will be keeping the '65. If I wasn't worried about keeping things correct, are the aluminum ones better? Are they much lighter? Stiffer? Any advantage to swapping, or is it not worth it?

Thanks,
Jay

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Re: CB77: Aluminum (late) vs. Steel (early) fork lowers?

Post by jas67 » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:52 pm

LOUD MOUSE wrote:I suggest you leave parts as they come. .................lm
That's kinda what I was thinking.

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Re: CB77: Aluminum (late) vs. Steel (early) fork lowers?

Post by LOUD MOUSE » Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:57 pm

I look at what HONDA did over the years of production and truly about 1966 when that front suspension change was used I was confused about what HONDA wanted to accomplice.
No doubt the change was for the better but I haven't ridden the TYPE 2 front suspension. ...............lm

jas67 wrote:
LOUD MOUSE wrote:I suggest you leave parts as they come. .................lm
That's kinda what I was thinking.

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Re: CB77: Aluminum (late) vs. Steel (early) fork lowers?

Post by G-Man » Tue Dec 29, 2015 3:06 am

My guess is that the cast-alloy lowers were just cheaper to make. The steel lowers involved welding several parts together and that pretty-much becomes one piece with the aluminum lowers. The seal holders became much simpler, too.

That alloy design survived well into the 1980s

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LOUD MOUSE wrote:I look at what HONDA did over the years of production and truly about 1966 when that front suspension change was used I was confused about what HONDA wanted to accomplice.
No doubt the change was for the better but I haven't ridden the TYPE 2 front suspension. ...............lm

jas67 wrote:
LOUD MOUSE wrote:I suggest you leave parts as they come. .................lm
That's kinda what I was thinking.
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Re: CB77: Aluminum (late) vs. Steel (early) fork lowers?

Post by LOUD MOUSE » Tue Dec 29, 2015 8:45 am

I wonder about comparison parts
Weight?
Same number of parts on fork tube
Steel slider
Weight?
Alloy
No long heavy steel spring
Weight?
4 steel studs
4 steel nuts and 4 steel washers
2 steel axle caps
heavier 2 piece steel axle
Steel tube inside slider
???????????????????????????????. ..................lm
G-Man wrote:My guess is that the cast-alloy lowers were just cheaper to make. The steel lowers involved welding several parts together and that pretty-much becomes one piece with the aluminum lowers. The seal holders became much simpler, too.

That alloy design survived well into the 1980s

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LOUD MOUSE wrote:I look at what HONDA did over the years of production and truly about 1966 when that front suspension change was used I was confused about what HONDA wanted to accomplice.
No doubt the change was for the better but I haven't ridden the TYPE 2 front suspension. ...............lm

jas67 wrote:
LOUD MOUSE wrote:I suggest you leave parts as they come. .................lm
That's kinda what I was thinking.

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