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Post by G-Man » Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:46 am

The material arrived yesterday to make up my crank assembly jig. Tim Miller send me some details of the amazing fixture he has made but I don't think I could handle something that massive in my 'junior' workshop.

A lot of 'armchair design' has been happening to try and come up with something smaller that will do a similar job. It won't be as good but I'm hoping that it will be sufficient for the task. The local expert does it all with just a few spacers and 40 years experience......

I am hoping to make a simple 'cage' that will hold the two pins in either 180 or 360 alignment and provide a reference for the cam sprocket. The plate is 1 inch thick and will run on ground steel columns. It will be a machining challenge to make it reversible (180 & 360 pins) but I'm going to give it a go.

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Post by G-Man » Fri Mar 06, 2015 3:01 am

Several speedometer casings have gone off to the platers along with a pile of other parts that i cleaned up at the weekend. There seem to be, at least, two early styles of speedo casing so I should have enough parts to complete two speedos when they come back.

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Hopefully I can start cutting metal on my crankshaft jig tomorrow.

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Post by G-Man » Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:05 pm

I made some slow progress with my crank jig this weekend. I wanted to make something that would work with both CB, CL and CA cranks so it had to be reversible and that meant some really accurate work to get the holes lined up. I made a drawing of whet I wanted and double checked all of the dimensions.

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The only option I haven't covered is the early Dream crank which had 25 mm crank pins compared with all later ones which were 26mm.

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The milling machine would handle accurate spacing between holes but I marked out the material just in case I made a mistake in traversing the milling table.

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It was then time to load up the two pieces of my jig and drill and accurately bore three holes. Th two outer ones for some steel alignment columns and the middle (actually offset 27 mm which is half the 54 mm stroke) one to take the crankpin.

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My little miller struggled with that 25mm thick plate (x2) but eventually we had 3 accurate holes.

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I was mightily relieved when I rotated the top plate through 180 degrees and the parts all lined up. Two outside guide pins and two crank pins offset at 180 degrees. Very satisfying.

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There wasn't enough ground steel bar for two complete guide pins but here is a 'trial assembly' of the jig with the flywheels and centre pin.

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There is still a fixture to make for aligning the cam sprocket but that shouldn't be quite so tricky.

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'61 CB72 '64 CB77 '65 CB160
'66 Matchless 350 '67 CL77
'67 S90 '77 CB400F

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Post by Tim Miller » Sun Mar 08, 2015 7:00 pm

Graham,

Excellent work!
I think you could us a 25 to 26mm reducer bushing for those early dream cranks with your fixture.

If there's a will there's a way.

Tim

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Post by G-Man » Mon Mar 09, 2015 2:06 am

Tim

Thanks for your kind words. I pondered opening up the hole for the big-end pin to say 30 mm and using a bush for both, I'm going to see how this works. There may be some more important modifications to do yet...

My little Chinese milling machine is not very rigid so I had to go pretty slow with light cuts to keep the holes straight and parallel.

All good therapy..... :-)

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'60 C77 '60 C72 '62 C72 Dream '63 CL72
'61 CB72 '64 CB77 '65 CB160
'66 Matchless 350 '67 CL77
'67 S90 '77 CB400F

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Post by R100 » Mon Mar 09, 2015 9:30 am

I find the work you do amazing Graham.
I can make pieces of wood fit together, but you're dealing with a whole other level of precision.
(Also a little envious of your equipment.)

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Post by G-Man » Mon Mar 09, 2015 12:42 pm

R100

Thanks for your comments. I'm just an enthusiastic amateur at this Honda stuff, but I do enjoy finding out about things and learning how and why they were put together. Its good to be able to share, and hopefully de-mystify, this stuff.

I grew up on the farm where you had to fix things with whatever came to hand. Being able to purchase relatively inexpensive tools and equipment (compared to the cost of the bikes) is such a joy. My lathe is 40+ years old and they change hands for 10 times what I paid. It's a pity the bikes don't appreciate like that.... :-(

I admire skilled woodworkers in the way that their work never seems to get dirty. I have always been a 'dirty hands' person and my woodwork and pencil-draughting output always looks a bit grubby in comparison with others....

If you've never looked at the work that John Britten did, you will be truly amazed.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Britten

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'60 C77 '60 C72 '62 C72 Dream '63 CL72
'61 CB72 '64 CB77 '65 CB160
'66 Matchless 350 '67 CL77
'67 S90 '77 CB400F

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