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LOUD MOUSE
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Re: Cush clutch...

Post by LOUD MOUSE » Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:55 am

The center hub is the last issue with the shallow spline grooves.
The first Cush center had the usual deep splines.
Ya can use a late issue with the early engine but can't use the early issue center with the late engine. ............lm

rzgkane wrote:
rzgkane wrote:I think (Loud Mouse can correct me if I'm wrong) this is what a true Cush setup looks like, friction plates and all. Notice the larger blocks of friction material on these discs. The new 020 discs are the same dimension from the inside diamter to the outside, but they are smaller side to side so there are more blocks per disc in the new 020's than the old ones.


The clutch center has a raised area at the center bore that fits into the Cush pressure plate and the pressure plate has four holes in between the spring retention bolts for improved oil flow.


The clutch basket has "fingers" with arch shaped castings into their outer surface. It also has at its bore grooved oil passages in a spiral fashion that non-Cush baskets do not have. Also for improved oil flow, I've been told. The Cush basket is attached to the sprocket by rivets with neoprene washers "cush-ioning" the forces of clutch engagement. You can't see those, but you should test any clutch basket before using it by trying to spin the sprocket independent of the basket. If there is play that you can feel, time to pitch it in the trash.

Lastly, the Cush setup uses a nearly 3mm "A" plate as the steel plate closest to the sprocket. I've taken apart a few clutches lately and only one of them has had a true "A" plate that is nearly double the thickness of the other steel plates (1.65mm) in the clutch setup. Honda still sells what it calls an "A" plate but it measured only 2.1mm.

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Re: Cush clutch...

Post by rzgkane » Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:45 am

LOUD MOUSE wrote:The center hub is the last issue with the shallow spline grooves.
The first Cush center had the usual deep splines.
Ya can use a late issue with the early engine but can't use the early issue center with the late engine. ............lm
Thanks, Ed. That last part is very valuable info.

Why are the early clutch center and late engine not compatible?

And how do we tell the difference between an early engine and a late one?

LOUD MOUSE
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Re: Cush clutch...

Post by LOUD MOUSE » Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:13 pm

The early issue has 20.8 .. from center to depth of cut.
The later has 23.0 mm from center to depth of cut.
You should have enough centers to compare to the one you showed.
It's a eye thing. ...........lm

rzgkane wrote:
LOUD MOUSE wrote:The center hub is the last issue with the shallow spline grooves.
The first Cush center had the usual deep splines.
Ya can use a late issue with the early engine but can't use the early issue center with the late engine. ............lm
Thanks, Ed. That last part is very valuable info.

Why are the early clutch center and late engine not compatible?

And how do we tell the difference between an early engine and a late one?

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k&l clutch discs

Post by dlobby12 » Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:16 pm

Where can I find the K&L friction discs.
thanks

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Re: k&l clutch discs

Post by LOUD MOUSE » Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:19 pm

Any special reason you want K&L?. ...lm
dlobby12 wrote:Where can I find the K&L friction discs.
thanks

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k&l clutch discs

Post by dlobby12 » Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:59 pm

Not really, what do you suggest.

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Re: k&l clutch discs

Post by LOUD MOUSE » Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:06 pm

I use and have the HONDA OEM/NOS disc.
The ones HONDA used the last 2 years which cured the slipping clutch. ..................lm
dlobby12 wrote:Not really, what do you suggest.

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